The Peak Oil Debate is Over
by Dr James Schlesinger
aspo-usa.com (November 01 2010)
countercurrents.org (November 01 2010)
The following is a transcription of Dr James Schlesinger's keynote address: "The Peak Oil Debate is Over". Transcript provided by Rick Munroe
Dr Schlesinger served as Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission (1971-73), Secretary of Defense (1973-75), Director of the CIA and was the first Secretary of Energy (1977-79). His wealth of experience at the highest levels of public administration is consolidated by his octogenarian wisdom.
What follows is the text of his insightful presentation at ASPO-Washington on Friday, October 08 2010.
Video of the talk appears at http://vimeo.com/16259773.
- Rick Munroe, Energy Bulletin contributor
Dr Schlesinger: Thank you very much. Between us, I cannot emulate the erudition that was displayed at the last session. But I am delighted to be here nonetheless and I hope you share that.
May I start with a bromide: a resource which is finite is not inexhaustible. If you think that over, it should not be a revelation. That was a bromide ... some people think a keynote should never rise above a bromide ...
Some five years ago in Italy I concluded a talk by saying that like the inhabitants of Pompeii, who ignored the neighboring volcano, Vesuvius, until it detonated, the world ignores the possibility of peak oil at its peril.
Two years ago in addressing ASPO in Cork, Ireland, I argued that the peakists had won the intellectual argument, except for some minor details about precise timing, but that by and large everyone recognized that there were limits on our capacity to increase the production of crude oil as we have steadily since World War Two.
[I also argued] that peakists were no longer a beleaguered minority, that they had won, and that consequently they should be gracious in victory.
There's an old spiritual that is relevant here. The walls of those who doubted the peak seemed to be impregnable. Nonetheless, you marched around the walls seven times and then blew the trumpets and the walls of Jericho came tumbling down.
But acceptance by knowledgeable people is not enough. The political order should respond. Nonetheless, our willingness, let alone our ability, to do anything serious about the impending inability to increase oil output is still a long way off.
The political order responds to what the public believes today, not to what it may come to believe tomorrow. It is also resistant to any action that inflicts pain or sacrifice on those who vote. The payoff in politics comes from reassurance, perhaps precluded by a rhetorical challenge.
Still, the challenge is clear in both logic and in the evidence. Let me start briefly with the logic,
If something cannot be sustained, it will eventually not be sustained ... ultimately it will shrink.
Secondly, you cannot produce oil unless you first discover it (a contribution by Colin Campbell).
Third, a resource that is finite cannot continually have its production increased.
What is the evidence?
First, we remain heavily dependent on super-giant and giant oilfields discovered in the 50s and 60s of the last century ... I might add, of the last millennium. Only rarely in recent decades have discoveries equaled production. Mostly, it's been one barrel discovered for every three barrels produced.
Second, old super-giants like Burgan in Kuwait and [Cantarell] in Mexico have gone into decline earlier than had been anticipated ... and going into decline have been Alaska, the North Sea, western Siberia and the like.
Third, while it is not yet "Twilight in the Desert" (as you may have read) still we are well into the afternoon, even in Saudi Arabia. Even the Ghawar oilfield is increasingly hard to sustain.
Fourth, in 2004 we experienced our first demand-driven price spike, as opposed to the previous price spikes driven by supply interruptions. We still operate at about the level of production capacity of 2004.
Next, given projected decline curves running from four to six percent, and the projected increase in demand during the next quarter century, we shall require the new capacity equivalence of five Saudi Arabias.
Even the International Energy Agency, which previously had been sanguine, now suggests that we can no longer increase production of conventional oil in the course of this decade.
Note that it is conventional oil: that is all that Hubbert talked about. Somewhat disingenuously, the debate has been turned on him by talking about fuel liquids in general, throwing in tar sands, heavy oil, coal liquids, oil shale and so on.
But clearly, large conventional oil production is increasingly no longer part of the future unless there is a technological breakthrough, which Mr Gilbert talked about just a few moments ago, raising the ultimate recovery rate from existing fields, which at this moment we cannot expect.
Of course, there are uncertainties which make timing predictions with regard to the peak risky. Iraq, which has been held back for a variety of reasons, may come along as one of those five new needed Saudi Arabias.
Offshore Brazil and offshore oil elsewhere are promising. Shale gas, which is apparently coming in abundance (but is not, of course, oil) may somewhat alleviate the pressures on liquid fuels.
But in general we must expect to get along without what has been our critical energy source in expanding the world's economy for more than half a century.
Can the political order face up to the challenge? There is no reason for optimism.
We are likely to see pseudo-solutions, misleading alternatives and sheer sloganeering: "energy independence", "getting off foreign oil" and the like. All of that sheer sloganeering we have seen to this point.
The political order (which abhors political risk) tends to rely on the Biblical prescription, "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof".
Thank you very much".
Dr James Schlesinger "The Peak Oil Debate is Over" from ASPO-USA on Vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/
Editorial Notes
Dr Schlesinger's keynote address may be viewed here (11 minutes): http://aspo.tv/2010/10/08/dr-james-schlesinger-keynote-address/
It is also currently the lead item on the ASPO-USA website: http://www.aspo-usa.com/
Given Dr Schlesinger's extensive connections, I think it would be fair to interpret his comments as indicative of the thinking of the most savvy members of the the US power elite.
Bart Anderson, Energy Bulletin
Energy Bulletin contributor Rick Munroe transcribed the talk. He writes:
The complete quote from Christ's Sermon on the Mount is, "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself: sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof".
The final portion is commonly translated as, "Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day" or more succinctly, "Tomorrow will look after itself".
A contemporary translation might read, "I've got enough on my plate without worrying about long-term problems which may or may not happen".
As Dr Schlesinger suggested, blind faith is a poor substitute for public policy, especially when we are considering the future of a finite fuel upon which humanity has become utterly dependent.
Courtesy of Energy Bulletin: http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2010-10-30/peak-oil-debate-over
http://www.countercurrents.org/schlesinger011110.htm
Bill Totten http://www.ashisuto.co.jp/english/
aspo-usa.com (November 01 2010)
countercurrents.org (November 01 2010)
The following is a transcription of Dr James Schlesinger's keynote address: "The Peak Oil Debate is Over". Transcript provided by Rick Munroe
Dr Schlesinger served as Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission (1971-73), Secretary of Defense (1973-75), Director of the CIA and was the first Secretary of Energy (1977-79). His wealth of experience at the highest levels of public administration is consolidated by his octogenarian wisdom.
What follows is the text of his insightful presentation at ASPO-Washington on Friday, October 08 2010.
Video of the talk appears at http://vimeo.com/16259773.
- Rick Munroe, Energy Bulletin contributor
Dr Schlesinger: Thank you very much. Between us, I cannot emulate the erudition that was displayed at the last session. But I am delighted to be here nonetheless and I hope you share that.
May I start with a bromide: a resource which is finite is not inexhaustible. If you think that over, it should not be a revelation. That was a bromide ... some people think a keynote should never rise above a bromide ...
Some five years ago in Italy I concluded a talk by saying that like the inhabitants of Pompeii, who ignored the neighboring volcano, Vesuvius, until it detonated, the world ignores the possibility of peak oil at its peril.
Two years ago in addressing ASPO in Cork, Ireland, I argued that the peakists had won the intellectual argument, except for some minor details about precise timing, but that by and large everyone recognized that there were limits on our capacity to increase the production of crude oil as we have steadily since World War Two.
[I also argued] that peakists were no longer a beleaguered minority, that they had won, and that consequently they should be gracious in victory.
There's an old spiritual that is relevant here. The walls of those who doubted the peak seemed to be impregnable. Nonetheless, you marched around the walls seven times and then blew the trumpets and the walls of Jericho came tumbling down.
But acceptance by knowledgeable people is not enough. The political order should respond. Nonetheless, our willingness, let alone our ability, to do anything serious about the impending inability to increase oil output is still a long way off.
The political order responds to what the public believes today, not to what it may come to believe tomorrow. It is also resistant to any action that inflicts pain or sacrifice on those who vote. The payoff in politics comes from reassurance, perhaps precluded by a rhetorical challenge.
Still, the challenge is clear in both logic and in the evidence. Let me start briefly with the logic,
If something cannot be sustained, it will eventually not be sustained ... ultimately it will shrink.
Secondly, you cannot produce oil unless you first discover it (a contribution by Colin Campbell).
Third, a resource that is finite cannot continually have its production increased.
What is the evidence?
First, we remain heavily dependent on super-giant and giant oilfields discovered in the 50s and 60s of the last century ... I might add, of the last millennium. Only rarely in recent decades have discoveries equaled production. Mostly, it's been one barrel discovered for every three barrels produced.
Second, old super-giants like Burgan in Kuwait and [Cantarell] in Mexico have gone into decline earlier than had been anticipated ... and going into decline have been Alaska, the North Sea, western Siberia and the like.
Third, while it is not yet "Twilight in the Desert" (as you may have read) still we are well into the afternoon, even in Saudi Arabia. Even the Ghawar oilfield is increasingly hard to sustain.
Fourth, in 2004 we experienced our first demand-driven price spike, as opposed to the previous price spikes driven by supply interruptions. We still operate at about the level of production capacity of 2004.
Next, given projected decline curves running from four to six percent, and the projected increase in demand during the next quarter century, we shall require the new capacity equivalence of five Saudi Arabias.
Even the International Energy Agency, which previously had been sanguine, now suggests that we can no longer increase production of conventional oil in the course of this decade.
Note that it is conventional oil: that is all that Hubbert talked about. Somewhat disingenuously, the debate has been turned on him by talking about fuel liquids in general, throwing in tar sands, heavy oil, coal liquids, oil shale and so on.
But clearly, large conventional oil production is increasingly no longer part of the future unless there is a technological breakthrough, which Mr Gilbert talked about just a few moments ago, raising the ultimate recovery rate from existing fields, which at this moment we cannot expect.
Of course, there are uncertainties which make timing predictions with regard to the peak risky. Iraq, which has been held back for a variety of reasons, may come along as one of those five new needed Saudi Arabias.
Offshore Brazil and offshore oil elsewhere are promising. Shale gas, which is apparently coming in abundance (but is not, of course, oil) may somewhat alleviate the pressures on liquid fuels.
But in general we must expect to get along without what has been our critical energy source in expanding the world's economy for more than half a century.
Can the political order face up to the challenge? There is no reason for optimism.
We are likely to see pseudo-solutions, misleading alternatives and sheer sloganeering: "energy independence", "getting off foreign oil" and the like. All of that sheer sloganeering we have seen to this point.
The political order (which abhors political risk) tends to rely on the Biblical prescription, "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof".
Thank you very much".
Dr James Schlesinger "The Peak Oil Debate is Over" from ASPO-USA on Vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/
Editorial Notes
Dr Schlesinger's keynote address may be viewed here (11 minutes): http://aspo.tv/2010/10/08/dr-james-schlesinger-keynote-address/
It is also currently the lead item on the ASPO-USA website: http://www.aspo-usa.com/
Given Dr Schlesinger's extensive connections, I think it would be fair to interpret his comments as indicative of the thinking of the most savvy members of the the US power elite.
Bart Anderson, Energy Bulletin
Energy Bulletin contributor Rick Munroe transcribed the talk. He writes:
The complete quote from Christ's Sermon on the Mount is, "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself: sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof".
The final portion is commonly translated as, "Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day" or more succinctly, "Tomorrow will look after itself".
A contemporary translation might read, "I've got enough on my plate without worrying about long-term problems which may or may not happen".
As Dr Schlesinger suggested, blind faith is a poor substitute for public policy, especially when we are considering the future of a finite fuel upon which humanity has become utterly dependent.
Courtesy of Energy Bulletin: http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2010-10-30/peak-oil-debate-over
http://www.countercurrents.org/schlesinger011110.htm
Bill Totten http://www.ashisuto.co.jp/english/
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